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August 29, 2008

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Clofresh (Last of the Real OG's)

All this don't mean shit til we see and hear Yung Turd's story. I for one, can't wait to see this fool after what happened to him. Wonder if he is going to be a man and address the issue besides trying to ignore it. But yeah, dudes career is so over. Trick Trick gave the nigga the business. LMAO

DJ DCeezy

nigga shoot a nigga, show me somethin... These niggas talkin all reckless and aint doin shit... Duck tape a nigga then

MTK

WTF!?!?! u talkin bout that yung berg issue like u ddnt think that would happen when berg got his ass sonned by a trick trick who's a grown ass 33 yr old an his goons wasn't in technicality a form of terrorism so its fair to say thats violence lead to more violence... fuck outta here..

Nimrod

First off, KRS can't welcome anyone anywhere he's damn near not welcomed himself. Hip Hop has nothing to do with breaking or graffiti. That's just an attempt by him and others to create a culture out of FADS and TRENDS that all came about simulataneously. In other words, that's his hustle since selling records hasn't been for a long time. The funny thing is there's a lie being pushed that party songs aren't hip hop when the reality is they are the GENESIS of hip hop. Anyone ever listened to 70's rap? How about the first commercially successful rap song, "Rapper's Delight?"


The lyrical content didn't get heavy until the Furious Five dropped "The Message." The originators of rap rhymed silly nursery rhymes on break beats and lacked any semblance of modern skill levels for the most part. That's exactly why they were left behind when things took a quantum leap. Now, I can' wait for people to come on here and tell ME what "real" rap is. BTW, I'm no fan of Soulja Boy but I don't feel like he or the South killed hip hop. If Jazz faded how the hell can hip hop last forever? NOTHING lasts forever. I hate that old ass rappers who can't find another hustle or move on in life position themselves as some fictitious gatekeepers of the "culture." What culture? This is a BUSINESS. The only thing that matters to the people who make this possible are SALES. If you don't sell you don't matter. Now tell me what kind of culture is that?


Next, What the hell is going on with gangsters putting out press releases on youtube or myspace? Just put it in nigga and let me read about it. Trick Trick is a clown who needs to be taught a lesson. It's always the niggas with no talent who bring violence into the equation. His cousin Proof got his head cracked PLAYING tough and this fool didn't learn anything. I wish if niggas want to be gangsters they'd just go do some gangster shit somewhere and leave the entertaining to people with talent.

SouthAmerica

MAN SHUT YOUR DUMB ASS UP ^^^^^ u dont know shit about hiphop. ITS A CULTUREE MADE UP OF 4 elements 1.DJ-ing 2. MC-ing 3. Breaking and 4 Graffiti.
IT'S BANDWAGOND hopping bitch made niccas like u who went from rockin baggy jeans to spandex in a heart beat talking shit bout SAWGG that fucked it up... sawgg? sounds and look more like FAGG to me.

JohnnyACE♠ GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

Nimrod says:
"The originators of rap rhymed silly nursery rhymes on break beats and lacked any semblance of modern skill levels for the most part. That's exactly why they were left behind when things took a quantum leap."

"I hate that old ass rappers who can't find another hustle or move on in life position themselves as some fictitious gatekeepers of the "culture." What culture? This is a BUSINESS. The only thing that matters to the people who make this possible are SALES. If you don't sell you don't matter. Now tell me what kind of culture is that?"

Nimrod, you need to show more respect towards a rap legend like KRS-One. Without him and a lot of those rap originators you talk so much shit about, a lot of these young cats now wouldn't be around today. Yeah the songs weren't much back then but they helped pave the way for our hip-hop music of today. Even though those artists are no longer relevant today doesn't mean that they're worthless. Anyone who doesn't respect them obviously is not a TRUE fan of hip-hop. It's sad to see people who aren't up on KRS' legacy shunning him like a nobody.

Fuck selling records, KRS makes money @ his shows and concerts. I went to one myself, and to say that it was electrifying is a massive understatement.

And to say that breakdancing and graffiti ain't hip-hop shows that you really know absolutely NOTHING about hip-hop culture. It's more than just emceeing.

"If you don't sell, you don't matter."
That is just a plain LIE. Money is good but integrity is always better. That's why KRS-One and all of our hip-hop ancestors are much richer than Jay-Z, 50 Cent, or Diddy can ever be.

Nimrod, I've grown a little tired of you (and people like you) always coming on here posting essays like you know everything when more than 90% of the time you sound nothing more than just plain ignorant. I was with you on that blog that Biko posted up a while back about gas prices, but now you just need to quit because you're doing too much.

HIP-HOP WILL NEVER DIE.
But know-it-all ignoramuses like you will.

On to Fat Joe's statements about Daddy Yankee, I never really liked Flow-Joe lyrically but I gotta admit he does have a point here.

{{-_-}}

Nimrod

@Johnny Ace


I don't believe we ever met. You know nothing about me. I am not impressed with KRS and you are. Fine. That's called a matter of taste not facts. I'm really tired of people who personally get offended by opinions on a blog about strangers as if that's not the purpose.

Hip Hop or rap or whatever name you choose to describe the genre re-invents itself every few years. So-called experts like yourself think it begins at whatever point you got on the bandwagon. I merely took it back to the start because I was there. What those cats in the BX did in the 70's was imitate funk and disco acts. From the costumes to the performances. Check out the video for "The Message" on Youtube. The problem with rap is what makes it so great. DIVERSITY. Yet ARROGANT people think they have the patent on what Hip Hop is or should be. For the record Graffitti and breakdancing played out before hip hop even took off. By 84 both of those trends had run their course yet rap skyrocketed. If they were indeed an integral part of the genre they would've been part of the process and they weren't. Instead of name calling and emotional rants counter that with facts youngster.


You may not be in agreement with my views but don't allow your immaturity to shine through in your responses. My long diatribes are much more informative than the usual ignorance posted on here. Perhaps you prefer that so you can seem smarter than everyone. That's not my problem.


I simply tell the TRUTH and shame the DEVIL. Get thee behind me Satan! LOL!

Nimrod

Oh Johhny Ace, it must;ve really been "electrifying" to be at the show where KRS got hit in the head with a bottle while performing recently by one of his loving fans. So much for self-destruction.

gullyson

Berg can give up on the chain, he can get another one or better yet stop wearing eye candy.

MzChiquita

Daddy yankee mustve done it for some publicity. If you saw his face when he was introduced by mccain at that school, yankee was like "eww why?". Yankee was tryin to ride Obamas coattails with a formal endorsement but O didn't want it because of Yankee's assault charged history. Yankee could've given an informal endorsement and kept it under the radar but yank wanted some shine and attention so he went to the opposition.

Dadd-Y is a pussy.

FUK_G-UNOTKILLA

@nimrod..."For the record Graffitti and breakdancing played out before hip hop even took off. By 84 both of those trends had run their course yet rap skyrocketed."
^^^^^^^^
explain how graffiti died out when you can still go to places like new york city, seattle, los angeles, hell even far foreign countries and see graffiti art everywhere, whether it's legal graffiti (meaning done on walls of building which the owners gave the artists permission to spray up) or illegal graffiti (billboards, freight trains, buses, etc...) and as for B-BOYING...the dance never died out it's still alive and well worldwide, there are many b-boy competition events and shows where dance circles and battles go down, you can still see B-BOYING on music videos, commericals, advertisements, movies and t.v. shows as well so what are you even talking about man? and for the record 'breakdance' was the term created by the media, the news, and press to make it easier for the overall masses know what it is...some of these hardcore 'breakdancers' (B-BOYS/B-GIRLS) do not even accept the "breakdance" terminology...and it's like what SOUTHAMERICA said hip hop is made of four elements 1. Deejaying 2. emceeing 3. graffiti art 4. b-boying/breakdancing...shows how much you really know about hip hop...nothing

FUK_G-UNOTKILLA

@nimrod..."For the record Graffitti and breakdancing played out before hip hop even took off. By 84 both of those trends had run their course yet rap skyrocketed."
^^^^^^^^
explain how graffiti died out when you can still go to places like new york city, seattle, los angeles, hell even far foreign countries and see graffiti art everywhere, whether it's legal graffiti (meaning done on walls of building which the owners gave the artists permission to spray up) or illegal graffiti (billboards, freight trains, buses, etc...) and as for B-BOYING...the dance never died out it's still alive and well worldwide, there are many b-boy competition events and shows where dance circles and battles go down, you can still see B-BOYING on music videos, commericals, advertisements, movies and t.v. shows as well so what are you even talking about man? and for the record 'breakdance' was the term created by the media, the news, and press to make it easier for the overall masses know what it is...some of these hardcore 'breakdancers' (B-BOYS/B-GIRLS) do not even accept the "breakdance" terminology...and it's like what SOUTHAMERICA said hip hop is made of four elements 1. Deejaying 2. emceeing 3. graffiti art 4. b-boying/breakdancing...shows how much you really know about hip hop...nothing

king45

F*CK NO, JADA DON'T DO IT. STOP MEDDLIN WITH THESE FAGS. DON'T SELLOUT FOR THE MONEY, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MOBB

Nimrod

Did KRS ever feature breaking or graffiti in his early videos? NO. Name any early vids from the golden era that features breakers or graffiti. If it was such an important part of the "culture" why was it practically omitted? The truth is once rap was recorded even the DJ became obsolete. Ever heard of DAT tapes?

Tone Loc had a DJ with a turntable hanging around his neck not hooked up to anything. That's how irrelevant the DJ became much less breakers and graff artists.

That young fool Johnny Ace says 90% of what I say is ignorant but what he means is he disagrees with 90% of what I say because HE'S ignorant.

People still break and do graffiti but it has nothing to do with hip hop. They try to attach themselves to rap for the same reason everyone else does. EXPOSURE.

I have nothing against KRS but I was around when he came out and he didn't have the impact some of you think anywhere except maybe the BX. He had 2 decent albums and a few hot singles but so did most rappers from that era. Rap was still new and it wasn't as saturated so it was easier to make a mark and he still didn't go gold like EPMD did consistently. True story.

SEEN

I think that it is a positive thing to have dialogue between Kirk Franklin and T-Pain. They can both learn from each other, as we all can. Same with KRS-ONE and Soulja Boy. Same with Young Berg and Trick Trick. The problem is that most people don't take the time to have dialogue, even when they disagree or dislike each other.

Bottom line is that we are all a little foolish in our youth. All it takes is someone with some wisdom to come and school the youngster. If the young dude is too proud to hear some wisdom, life will humble him sooner or later (in Young Berg's case, it was sooner).

I found a while ago that the most interesting thing about this site and others like it is the comments made from the readers. Y'all make the site so much more pleasurable to read that you made me start making comments myself. Many of you are passionate in your responses, but I don't think anyone is the ultimate authority on rap/hip-hop music/culture. We're all speculators. Even KRS.

FUK_G-UNOTKILLA

@nimrod....Did KRS ever feature breaking or graffiti in his early videos? NO.
^^^^^^^^^
he's mentioned the four elements in RAPTURE'S DELIGHT, but are you implying that every emcee should know how to deejay, do graffiti, and b-boy (breakdance) all together to be a true hip hop head? or does every graffiti artist (bomber, tagger) have to know how to pull off a skillfull rhyme, mix records, and dance to be a true hip hop head? no they don't as long as an individual whether he's an emcee/rapper, deejay, graffiti artist, b-boy/breaker, can be able to acknowledge the roots of hip hop neither of the elements are ever really ommitted...maybe you feel the way you do because you've gotten so use to being exposed to the mainstream that claims they know real hip hop when 90% of the time the mainstream doesn't get it right that you are starting to believe certain aspects of hip hop are more popular...tell me do you even know the difference between an emcee and a rapper? i bet anything you don't

Blasfemi

I dont give a f*ck what anybody says...i dont feel Soulja Boy and none of my homies do..and for all you mothaf*ckers that pushed his sh*t to near platinum, go suck something.. Nothing personal but Sh*tty Boy is dumbing down the good sh*t about hip hop. how can ya'll bump that and think it is cool, hah?

Artrookie

To be honest the way I got it was the 4 elements where all youth movements of the time. "Wildstyle" cemented the elements for the masses as a culture; this film is the confirmation. When talking about the birth of HIP HOP you can stray into semantics. Hell if you want to attribute the 1st rapper you may as well give that accolade to Muhammad Ali (well why not) too many Hip didn't really cement it's self as a movement to RUNDMC came along (I know that's not the case just saying).
Maybe cause when young people of the time were hanging or partying you could always find the 4 elements being displayed. Freestyling on the street you needed a beatbox at a party you needed a DJ cutting same as if you were breaking. If you were graphing you might also carry a boombox the music of the time permeated all three, that Music was Hip Hop. Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!KRS One is the Glue that binds then till now and will always relevant to me. It’s not in my opinion a veiled attempt to give himself some kind of permanence in the game he is Hip Hop, same as anyone who cares about the art form. Either enjoy it or leave alone. Why is it as a Movement people have break everything down to the lowest common denominator sometimes it’s not necessary. just love whatever strand you love and keep it moving.
That’s my 2 Pence!!!

Artrookie

To be honest the way I got it was the 4 elements where all youth movements of the time. "Wildstyle" cemented the elements for the masses as a culture; this film is the confirmation. When talking about the birth of HIP HOP you can stray into semantics. Hell if you want to attribute the 1st rapper you may as well give that accolade to Muhammad Ali (well why not) too many Hip Hop didn't really cement it's self as a movement till RUNDMC came along (I know that's not the case just saying).
Maybe cause when young people of the time were hanging or partying you could always find the 4 elements being displayed. Freestyling on the street you needed a beatbox at a party you needed a DJ cutting, same as if you were breaking. If you were graphing you might also carry a boombox, the music of the time permeated all three, that Music was Hip Hop. Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!KRS One is the Glue that binds then till now, and will always relevant to me. It’s not in my opinion a veiled attempt to give himself some kind of permanence in the game he is Hip Hop, same as anyone who cares about the art form. Either enjoy it or leave alone. Why is it as a Movement people have break everything down to the lowest common denominator sometimes it’s not necessary. just love whatever strand of the culture you love and keep it moving.
That’s my 2 Pence!!!


Nimrod

Man dudes are acting like they don't comprehend well. Since there are these so-called 4 elements of hip hop all I want to know is why wasn't all elements present in early rap videos even the ones by KRS? That doesn't mean the rapper had to be doing all 4! Why didn't KRS put Crazy Legs in any of his videos?! I'll tell you why because one had nothing to do with the other. You young cats have been bombarded with bullshit and because you read it or hear someone you were told is a legend say it you think it is so.

The Source which called itself the Bible of Hip Hop was started by a jew and a halh Irish/half Rican duo from BOSTON! What the fuck did they know about hip hop yet their 5 mics became the standard. That's just one example how commerce and the sake of commerce determined who's voice and opinion mattered. There are many more but does that make them right?

But take it from me. I've been down since you could only hear hip hop on casettes. The MUSIC took on a life of it's own and constantly expanded to bring in new listeners. There is no such thing as REAL hip hop and there's no difference between rap and hip hop. Those are things YOU fans created. They all fall under the same umbrella. Talking and Rhyming over a beat is what it is. It was done by people who couldn't sing but wanted to entertain. End of story.

The 4 element concept is something people who all are washed up came up with to become relevant again. They pooled their resources and sought to market as one but the reality is they were separate except for DJing and rapping.

Wild Style and Breakin were weak attempts by mainstream to exploit trends in Urban America. Nothing more. What you got from those movies were THEIR interpretation of something they didn't understand. Sound familiar? I bet some of you watch Sanford and Son and Good Times to know what black life was in the 70's too. Did you know those shows were created by Norman Lear, a white jew? Stop allowing other people to define who you are. Don't you see the pattern here? *SMH*

JohnnyACE♠ GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

Nimrod, just shut the f*ck up already. KRS got hit with a bottle, so what?? Some people (just like you) are ignorant haters. Nothing we can do about that.

Nimrod

@Johnny Ace

You lose yet again. A hater is someone who has no logical reasoning behind their displeasure. That would be you. Whether people agree with me or not I can support my position with a combination of reason, logic, facts and opinion. Haters just say inflammatory shit based on IGNORANCE and EMOTION. Your PMS is obviously flaring up.


I speak from a perspective unlike most. I actually had dealings with some of your heroes and I'm old enough to call bullshit when I see it. I come on here solely to provoke though because I think rap has become too influential in the way black people are promoted and perceived. The danger in that is we have NO control over that. Your most touted rap moguls have no real power. I'm not a hater for exposing that. I'm trying to wake you jokers who rake turns rooting for and against 2 sides of the same coin while the TRUE puppetmasters make off like robber barons. If a couple of "paper tigers" like your boy KRS has to go under the bus for the greater good then so be it. Then again if you're white your reaction is understood. You're looking to be the next pimp and you don't want anyone to wake up the hoes.

JohnnyACE♠ GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

Nimrod, your jaded views on the hip-hop industry make you the real loser in this case. See, the worth of an MC is not judged by how much money he makes or how in demand he currently is at the moment. It's about how good the MUSIC is. Over the years we seem to have drifted away from that value and began to focus way too much on petty little statistics. The fact of the matter is that KRS-One and people like him were the first to come out and set the bar when it came to dope hip-hop music. And I reiterate once again that if it weren't for people of the earlier generation of hip-hop then a lot of the rappers out today really would not exist, and the genre as a whole probably wouldn't exist either. Disrespecting these people is like biting the hand that feeds you. If you love hip-hop then it's time you started showing a little more respect for these rap pioneers. Most of your favorite rappers already do.

Hip-hop music always seems to pose the question, "What have you done for me LATELY?" Today, the label execs only seem to be interested in signing someone who's hot today, focusing on making hit singles to catch your attention for a short time rather than making classic albums that will stick with you for a lifetime. The problem is that we're killing our legacy and our music here. KRS comes from an era when hip-hop was much more focused on dope lyrics and delivery over dope beats rather than having to rely on gimmicks, swagger, and publicity stunts to captivate people into buying your music. Back then they didn't have access to all the technology and advancements that we have today but they still managed to do just fine with what little they had (i.e. Eric B. & Rakim). KRS' style is much more different and down to the point than most rappers today, and that's why he gets my respect.

Unfortunately, there are other people (much like yourself) who were probably much too young to remember KRS-One's heyday and instead grew up during the era of dumbed-down materialistic rap. Therefore, you label KRS wack just because he's much different from what you're used to. Then you say that I have PMS just for simply pointing out that you're clearly misinformed.

Hip-hop is more than just a business. It's a culture and it's a way of life.

{{-_-}}

JohnnyACE♠ GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

One more thing:

Since hip-hop is a culture and a way of life (and might I also add an ARTFORM), that means that breakdancing and graffiti are definitely part of the hip-hop culture also. Remember, these are forms of expression and so is hip-hop. Not to mention that black people were the first people to participate in these activities, same with hip-hop. Breakdancing and graffiti were not only begun FOR and BY the same people who brought us hip-hop music, but they also tie in so well with the culture that we might as well consider it a permanent part of the culture. To say that breakdancing and graffiti ain't hip-hop is totally ignorant and misguided. Hip-hop is much more versatile than any other genre in the world and it has a lot of components and layers to it. Breaking and graffiti are just a few of these layers.

Have more faith in your music.
Have more pride in your culture.

{{-_-}}

Nimrod

@Johnny Ace

I disagree wholeheartedly but I respect your position. Now you're talking like an adult. I pick unfavorable positions to make people think. Maybe my views are jaded but they're like that for a reason. You totally love the art but I see it solely as a business. One which I've been involved with for 3 decades. You totally love KRS which is cool. I think Big Daddy Kane was the 2nd greatest rapper of all time. There are many who would question that as is their right. People have to stop thinking their opinion is law. That's why the only true language is mathematics, hence my recitation of STATS and FACTS. #'s don't lie and show no preference unless of course you lie about the #'s.

I don't get into the greatest rapper debates because it's all very subjective. I pointed out some things that are undeniable to support my perspective. I couldn't care less about hip hop. My allegiance is to my community not the hip hop community and the if hip hop didn't claim to represent or rather misrepresent black folks I wouldn't have to call it out like I do in places where damage is done like thses blogs.


You're concerned about KRS' legacy. My concern is something much more profound.

Peace.

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